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Mara’s view on Paid Mods and the drama that followed…

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Mara’s view on Paid Mods and the drama that followed…

I have been asked a lot what I think about the whole paid mods ordeal.  I decided to give my views on the subject.
When I was told by one of my writers that paid mods was now being implemented.  My first thoughts were of frustration and annoyance.
A few months ago when I had attempted to raise money in donations for my new mod, I had the desire to pay my team for their efforts.  Only having my Kickstarter up for a few days I was bombarded by the community for even trying to raise money in donations.  So I took the Kickstarter down.
But charging for mods goes against what modding is all about, in my opinion.  But on the contrary to that, I whole heartedly agree that if someone wants to be paid for their efforts doing something they love they should pursue their dreams.  That is what we try to accomplish in our lifetime is the pursue our goals of making money doing what we love to do.  Whether modding should be a creative expression or a job preference is up to the individual.
Regarding the choice that Valve and Bethesda decided to have paying mods makes me curious.  Is it just coincidence that after the drama of Skyrim Romance Mod that this new sudden decision to help modders suddenly sparked their interest.  Perhaps it was the events of Skyrim Romance Mod that lead them to think modders should be paid for their work.  How they wanted to split the funds I believe was not fair, in my opinion.  But still the timing makes me think that Skyrim Romance shook the foundation of the modding world more than we all assumed.
But whatever the reason behind it was,  nothing good came out of this event.  If anything an ugly light revealed just how angry and hateful the Skyrim modding community really is.  The company that made Skyrim was given only resentment and threats after they made their announcement.  Even modders were given death threats and hate for even siding with Bethesda.  This kind of behavior saddens me so much and makes me so disappointed.  Those who stayed out of the hate and the rage I commend for their honorable behavior.
Those who gave death threats don’t realize that they’ll never be able to play a single video games once their filthy asses are rotting behind bars for life.  They are no better than terrorist and deserve to be caged for the ravenous dogs they are.
For the modders that were bombarded by hate and death threats, I encourage you to be strong.  I experienced this in full measure and I understand your pain.  I encourage you to rise above the hate like a phoenix from the ashes.  Because people are trying to tear you down you must stay strong and hold onto your courage.  Keep doing what you love to do.  Stay close to those who stay loyal to you and support you and this will pass.
The world is full of so much hate.  We play video games to create our own fantasies AWAY from the real world.  We are here to have fun!!! Let’s be good to one another and realize we are all human.  We all have feelings and we are all just trying to live a good life.
I don’t think anyone wants to pay for mods.  I believe that mod theft would become a real issue if paid mods had stayed.  A person could easily re-upload someone elses mod on another site for others to download.  The whole thing could have been very painful for a lot of modders and the law suits would come, I guarantee it.
Now that the issue of paid mods is now officially over.  Let’s just move on.  Hopefully this event has not made Bethesda think twice about trying accommodate modders.  Just seeing the backlash they received, I can see them reconsidering not making another Creation Kit for future games.  This worries me and I hope that it does not come to that.
If you love mods, support their creators.  Mod authors are given lots of scrutiny for their work and don’t get enough praise and love.  I for one am blessed by those who have filled my inbox with so much love and support.  I can’t thank you guys enough for that,  you all have encouraged me everyday.  I love you all and I hope you have a wonderful weekend!
Thank you,
Mara
I would like to hear what you guys think about it and your opinions.  Feel free to comment below
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By | 2017-01-15T03:50:10+00:00 May 15th, 2015|Uncategorized|17 Comments

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Creator of Skyrim Romance Mods and Forbidden Love.

17 Comments

  1. Anonymous May 24, 2015 at 12:08 am - Reply

    Mara, I don’t believe in paid for mods as you don’t I think it too goes against what modders are all about. I signed a petition myself to make sure they were done away with, besides Bethesda and others would have had to rewrite the TOS.

    But I agree with you, I wouldnt mind donating myself because all modders are a wonderful, they make mods that make our games just that much better.

  2. waiyan May 22, 2015 at 11:01 am - Reply

    Glad I don’t have to wait longer anymore. Have you checked on non sexlab animation mod ? It has some nice make out and hug animations. And it updates and adds new animation frequently.

  3. waiyan May 19, 2015 at 11:26 am - Reply

    I’m also against the paid mod thing. Of course, offering cash to a modder for his effort might support him and improve his work. But, I believe that great mods come from the desire of making better to his own fantasy world and generosity of sharing his creation to the others. If a mod user really want to appreciate a modder , the donation button is enough. Anyway, let bygone be bygone. When will the new version be released, Mara? I stopped playing skyrim since I knew that you are making an update. But that gave me spare time to play other games. But sitll, skyrim is the best so far because of the mods. Skyrim is a really good game. But, Bethesda should realize that skyrim is sitll popular because of the mods. I hope Bethesda would give us the creation tool in next elder scroll.

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      Mara May 19, 2015 at 11:48 am - Reply

      @waiyan, I plan to be releasing the new Skyrim Romance Mod in the next coming month or two! ^_^

  4. Stephanie May 17, 2015 at 1:57 pm - Reply

    I feel the need to point out that, even had Bethesda said Skyrim mods can require payment, your mod still would not have been eligible.

    The fact is: it’s unfair to make money from someone else’s creation unless they explicitly allow that, it’s the original creator’s choice and we need to respect that whatever that choice is. If Bethesda chose that modders could make money from Skyrim mods, that’s fine, but your mod also uses characters from NWN2 and music from NWN1 (which it is still inexcusable that you use without even crediting the original composer and performers). For it to be fair and legal for you to make money from this mod, you would have to have permission from everyone whose material you use, including Bioware and Atari.

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      Mara May 17, 2015 at 7:05 pm - Reply

      @Stephanie I agree! Which is why I never would charge for Skyrim Romance because I’ve used the characters from NWN2! My kickstarter was for future developments for more characters and more large scale projects.

  5. Jonathan May 16, 2015 at 5:40 pm - Reply

    @Mara, In regards to DLC sized mods, there are a few, two of the most popular ones I know are Falskaar and Wyrmstooth. the Author of Falskaar took over a year to create the mod, and I have to say it is one of the best i have seen, later on he actually was noticed by the company responsible for the Halo franchise and was hired by them. I would say that mods like those would have been worth it had they been put on that paid system, the voice actings and quests were phenomenal from what i have personally experienced through those DLC sized mods.

  6. Sajiri May 16, 2015 at 4:20 pm - Reply

    Anyone giving death threats or harrassing someone over a video game is just ridiculous, those people need help. I support modders getting paid for their work but there’s a line that makes it difficult to tell who should get what. Something that’s just a simple retexture, or something that heavily relies on and is made with someone else’s work, probably doesnt deserve payment in the way that some full on quest/content mods do that add more than the official DLCs.

    I think the main issue with the whole valve paid mods thing was that they were taking what was essentially a previous generation game where mods had been free for years, and suddenly trying to make a quick buck off them (might not have been SO bad if the modders themselves got the higher split). I think its just the whole mindset these days with paid dlc, and the fact you cant get a complete, working game without waiting for multiple patches and paying for dlc, compared to what we used to get years ago. One of the best parts about things like Skyrim is it’s modding community, and locking that behind a paywall just sucks.

    I think your kickstarter was taken down before I even realised it was up, but as I understand it that was essentially just donations? The mod was still free for everyone I believe, I think that idea is just fine, and I’ve never understood what the big deal was to everyone who was so mad about it.

  7. Sarah May 16, 2015 at 1:43 pm - Reply

    I love what you said here! I had to laugh when I was on a site that shall remain nameless the other day and as I picked to download something, a HUGE button appeared on my screen telling me I shoulder consider donating to the modder. Huh. Really? Didn’t you oust my favorite mod for THAT very reason? I think you’ve noted some great pros and cons here.

  8. sagittariusmoon75 May 15, 2015 at 11:00 pm - Reply

    I usually just pop in and read, then go my way, but wanted to say that I have always believed that anyone should get paid for a craft they enjoy. Not just modding, but anything that they are good at and should or could earn some pittance for doing.
    This entire episode of paid mods and the ‘community’s’ reaction sickened me. A lot of good modders have departed because of the ugliness and threats. There was loss all around and in consideration of it all, I will be shocked if Bethesda releases another creation kit again. (like you mentioned)
    Was the pay split unfair? Yes, but it was at least an attempt to recognize all the many hours we modders put into our work.
    If you bundle all the hours I put into just one silly piece of armour or houses , etc. it would boggle the mind. That is how it is for almost all of us who take on this hobby and we do it because we love the art behind it all.
    Anyway, you of course have my support. 😉

  9. Lizz May 15, 2015 at 9:18 pm - Reply

    I was upset about the paid mods becoming a thing, but I’d never threaten someone for it. It’s great to think that modders could get paid, but at the same time you’re still making money off a game you didn’t create to begin with, to me that seems rather wrong. Also, then there will be modders who do it for fun, and then ones who do it for money, would you rather download from a person who does it for money, or from one who does it for just enjoying what they do? I’d choose the latter, as when money is involved people get greedy. Companies will get greedy, players will get greedy, even modders will get greedy. Money brings out the worst in people. (This is all just my opinion though.)

    It’s sad enough the quality of the Elder Scrolls series has gone down in quality in some peoples eyes, and Beth being able to make money off modders who fix the mistakes in game that they should of fixed themselves? Also, they released a game and are making money off you tinkering it? (This can go both ways though.)

    Look what charging for content has done to the Sims community, EA is voted the worst company in the world.

  10. Someone May 15, 2015 at 8:47 pm - Reply

    I have to disagree with Kalina about Bethesda and Valve wanting the best for modders. They both took a very large cut from whatever the modder made and it was all about money. The whole thing was to try and juice more money out of the community. I have to agree that the community reacted in the most terrible way possible about this whole thing and shouldn’t have threatened the creators for something that they thought was a good idea. Bethesda gave them the offer, the offer SOUNDED good. I mean most these people mod because they want to help create games and when Bethesda sends something claiming they want to “hire” you (pretty much cheap labor and payment for using their engine to mod) well who would say no? The community had no right what so ever to do what they did to modders but it’s real sad that they’re not even the worse community out there (ever seen the bioware community? arguing 24/7 about stupid things and if you disagree with someone’s headcanon and their popular, well I hope you ready for a storm) besides we still had nexus. A lot of modders on nexus didn’t like the idea of “working” for Bethesda, a lot of them hated it and just wanted to make mods to make mods so I don’t understand why the community was so upset.

  11. Kalina M. May 15, 2015 at 6:34 pm - Reply

    I agree wholeheartedly! I’m positive Bethesda had positive intentions when trying to shine a light on the modders like that. However, I just think it was terribly planned out. Only like what, 20% goes to the actual people that made the mod? And imagine how easy it could be for someone to just upload a mod that wasn’t there’s to get cash! Ridiculous. So, all in all, while it may have been a good IDEA, it was terrible move. Thanks for the input on the situation though!

  12. Jonathan May 15, 2015 at 2:47 pm - Reply

    there was alot of ugly behavior regarding that Paid Mods Fiasco on the Steam Workshop, and frankly, it would have cause division among the modding community no matter how it was implemented. Bethesda had good intentions for why they teamed up with Valve to start that system, and they listened to the community regardless of what they intended which is why it was taken down in a matter of 2 days.

    Most people who eventually want to make a living off of Game developement use Modding as a Stepping Stone in hopes to get noticed by a Game Company, which has actually happened before. Bethesda had hoped to allow Mod Authors to gain revenue off of their mods, as long as such content was of their own making and not based on another franchise. so there was restrictions on what is allowed, had this system actually been a success, I do believe that there would have been an increase in Mod quality, as we would likely have more DLC sized mods.

    however, for all the pros that the system would have introduced, alot of Cons would also accompany them, as there is also a chance that some people would make poor quality mods in order to make a quick buck and the chance of arguments among the Mod Authors regarding the content in the mods.

    Honestly, the division among the Mod Community regarding the Paid System was to be expected, but the real problem was how they reacted to it. the insults, death threats, etc. all of that was immature and outright unneccesary.

    in regards to what kind of system would have been more welcome, i have seen talk that most people would have been more welcoming towards a donation system rather than the paid system.

    I appologize for the rather lengthy post, I’ve been taking alot of deep thought into the pros and cons of that system for a while

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      Mara May 15, 2015 at 3:02 pm - Reply

      @ Jonathan I agree with that. A lot of people who have taken advantage of the system to gain money and give a poor quality mods in return. Then again what kind of wonders would we have seen if people could make DLC mods? I think that the Gaming Companies should consider the modders as potential hirings. The modders have proved themselves dedicated and passionate about games. The amount of work put into a mod should show ones character and determination for a good position in any Gaming Company.Thank you for your post!

      ~Mara

  13. Jolanta May 15, 2015 at 2:43 pm - Reply

    Dear Mara I appreciate all the work you and your team has done for the gaming community.
    I AM TERMLESS ON YOUR SIDE!!

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      Mara May 15, 2015 at 3:03 pm - Reply

      @Jolanta Thank you so very much! I wouldn’t be able to do this without my team, they have given so much to the mods.

      Thank you,

      Mara

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